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no noise means no bees
if u want good shoes go for vans or etnies..
and u defiently need waffle grip... all other grip sucks 
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cheese me.
I hate etnies!!!!!
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and vans arent really skate shoes.
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Originally posted by neway
and vans arent really skate shoes.
actually 1 of the bets pair of shoes i ever had were vans. they always had thre grippist soles. but the shoes had good grip on the toe and never wore down. it wa slike the cap 2 or cab 3 and it was leather. with gum sole. i actually have apair now that are ok , i got them more 4 looks tho
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cheese me.
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