Do aliens exist?

[PAlexC]

This thing just won't die will it?

Does it MATTER?

War, poverty, famine, pollution, human rights, the losing season the Rangers are about to have...

I couldn't really give 2 craps if aliens landed in my backyard tomorrow.

[SmokeBombShoe]

So you wouldn't give two bowle Movements to have and Interglacial alien land on your back porch and steal your cat muffins for Science?
I know I would!

[yasunobu13]

Originally posted by SmokeBombShoe
So you wouldn't give two bowle Movements to have and Interglacial alien land on your back porch and steal your cat muffins for Science?
I know I would!

cat muffins?

[flipshark]

Originally posted by FusionJedi
I responded to this post within each of the Bold statements.

I myself try to be very open minded to other people's opinions and would suggest that the view of Christianity expressed by flipshark is perhaps more close minded or uninformed than that of some Christians.

Not all Christians believe as fact that dinosaurs never existed. There is a chapter in the Bible, in Daniel I believe, that speaks of a time that goes before man was created and opens up what is called "The Gap Theory" that says that there is a gap between when God created the heavens and the earth and when he created man, which would suggest that dinosaurs could have existed and the world could be a lot older than the History of the writings of the Bible. (There are also many Christians who believe in evolution, yet they believe that God designed the process, not just random or chance).

I covered this with the above statement.

Again I covered this with the above statement.

I think you misunderstood, my post. I am not being close minded, if anything I was generalizing, yet my statements are based on facts.

To clarify, I was talking ONLY about those christians which take the bible WORD FOR WORD. The "word for worders" if you will.

A word4worder believes:

1) God created the universe in exactly 7 days.
2) The earth is exactly X # of years old (some even have the timeline broken down to exactly "7 am on this day")
3) Fossils or any evidence of prehistoric animals are merely remains of things that died in the 40 day flood starring noah and the ark.

I know some christians believe in evolution, some even believe in the big bang (they believe god created the big bang and set everything in motion from there), I know some christians believe in dinosaurs, etc etc etc.

My statements were directed only towards word for worders. You clearly (from your dinosaur statement) are not a word for worder.

[DigitalOne]

Originally posted by flipshark
My statements were directed only towards word for worders. You clearly (from your dinosaur statement) are not a word for worder.

Me either!

[FusionJedi]

Yea, I believe I am similar to word-for-worders except for one aspect, I take into consideration the context in which words are spoken/written, which a lot of Christians do, and should. If you do not look at the context (history, surroundings, culture of the time), then you cannot completely understand what the writers were speaking about, but as long as those statements were not geared toward "Christians" as a whole I'm ok with it.

[I_am_TheFlasher]

Originally posted by FusionJedi
Yea, I believe I am similar to word-for-worders except for one aspect, I take into consideration the context in which words are spoken/written, which a lot of Christians do, and should. If you do not look at the context (history, surroundings, culture of the time), then you cannot completely understand what the writers were speaking about, but as long as those statements were not geared toward "Christians" as a whole I'm ok with it.

Me Too!

[yasunobu13]

Originally posted by FusionJedi
Yea, I believe I am similar to word-for-worders except for one aspect, I take into consideration the context in which words are spoken/written, which a lot of Christians do, and should.

The problem is, the real word-for-worders are louder than the one's you describe. They also tend to be pushy.

[I_am_TheFlasher]

Originally posted by yasunobu13
The problem is, the real word-for-worders are louder than the one's you describe. They also tend to be pushy.

Eh, Only the pysco lunitict one's. And there are only a few of them. I hope

[FusionJedi]

Well, its been fun...I think this thread is pretty much dead. See you guys in another thread.

[japangreg]

Originally posted by I_am_TheFlasher
I'm sorry, but this thread did not turn this way because of Christianity. If I recall correctly it was japangreg who said something about the big bang theory. So me and my stupid ways decide to post. So it wasn't christianity itself that did it, It was a person. Who's name is me.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FusionJedi
It seems that the post that started this was when someone mentioned the seemingly accepted validity of the "Big Bang Theory", and then a reply was made to that.
Actually, I never said anything about the Big Bang... Olly K brought it up on page 3. I just jumped in when I saw someone trying to use Flashkit as his own personal soapbox with a flawed example trying to disprove a theory he doesn't understand.

For the record, I don't think less of anyone who doesn't believe in evolution or does believe in creationism (D1, my high school biology teacher was like you; she called herself a "Crevolutionist"). I simply ask that you take the time to learn about something before you try to tear it down.

I don't know if this thread can be saved (I know it was pretty much dead at the time I post this, but when I see my name specified, I feel it necessary to respond) and perhaps it shouldn't be. The question of the existence of aliens is intriguing enough for me to want it to be, but I find myself with nothing really to add to the discussion beyond a personal conviction, which as we've all seen, gets us no where fast.

[jamin]

The question is asked almost asuming we would be able to recognise that which we are seeing as life.

Who knows? We may be staring at extraterestrial inteligent life everyday, but not recognise it ...

There are many cases of science refusing the possiblity of life in certain environments, only to discover they were totally wrong (like in the vents of sea mounts for example)

We have so far descovered that life exists in all explored regions of earth, no matter how uninhabitable they may seem. But living here as long as we have, we are only scratching the surface of what has and does live with us.

Knowing what we know about our own water world, it would be a good start to study other worlds that have been or have the potential to be a world like ours ...

I would put it to you, that if we had the means to park up on, say, Uropa for X many years, in an environment where we can dedicate seriouse time and effort to our research, we would start turning up all kinds of bacterial or even mono-cellular life. It isn't even unreasonable to assume that after some decades, we may even start digging up fossil remains on these other water based worlds.

So as to the question of whether there is LIFE outside our own wee world? A good number of our best scientist, theorists, and philosophers believe it likely that life was seeded here from astral bodies - thus explaining the sudden apperance of life in the fossil records.

Most can not deny that in a place as big as our universe, especially now that we know our neighbourhood in space is not quite as unique as we may have thought, life away from earth is not only possable, but probable.


And as for the possability of INTELLIGENT life?

I like to think we did it ... we started from nothing and become more than something. We developed self awareness, then intelligence. We learned to imagine, and to create. We learned to communicate with each other, and even to communicate with other species.

And all this happened relatively late in the grand evolution of the universe.

What if other nothing became more than something elsewhere, but long before we did? Would they be more advanced? extinct? Would we even recognise them as life? They could be so small we can't see them, or so large, we are in them now. Who knows? At the moment, not us.

I believe that life does exist out there somewhere. What it is, I can't even begin to imagine. But it is logical to assume that we are not alone in the universe.

[luvenny]

brought back from the dead...

[asun2art]

Originally posted by jamin
I like to think we did it ... we started from nothing and become more than something. We developed self awareness, then intelligence. We learned to imagine, and to create. We learned to communicate with each other, and even to communicate with other species. And all this happened relatively late in the grand evolution of the universe.

I believe that life does exist out there somewhere. What it is, I can't even begin to imagine. But it is logical to assume that we are not alone in the universe.

Well said.

*sniff* sniff*


If nothing else it gives us something to discuss in our mundane lives.

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how much more alien than this can you get?
this one comes from Mars