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    Are you RAW?

    Shooting in RAW format means that the raw image data is captured and no in-camera processing is performed allowing you to have total control over settings such as exposure and color temperature that are usually handled in-camera as you are shooting. Instead you are able to make adjustments when you open the image in your camera (or editing) software. It is nice to use when exposure and color temp is questionable in a given situation. It is used at the expense of memory and speed. RAW images are much larger than standard (jpeg) format so it takes more room on your memory card and takes longer to save.

    I use RAW if I feel I am going to want to adjust and experiment heavily with an image. Mostly I shoot high quality jpegs. Camera manufacturers recommend you use their software when opening and adjusting a RAW image as the processing is often proprietary and varies from camera to camera. Adobe Photoshop CS will handle RAW images though and I actually use it as well as the Nikon software that came with my camera.

    If, when and how do you use RAW?
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    There's no point in not shooting RAW files, only if you're really limited on storage space should you shoot JPEGs. RAW files are digital negatives, JPEGs are digital images. A film negative comes out of the camera and is processed in a darkroom, with a JPEG you're taking and developing your image in the camera, with a RAW file you're taking the shot with the camera and developing it with photoshop or some other tool. It allows you far more control over 'pushing' or 'pulling' the image than in camera does, plus an app like photoshop or the one linked below is simply much much better at 'developing' a digital image than your camera is. It's much closer to a darkroom process.

    I use this free RAW converter most of the time.
    http://www.pixmantec.com/products/ra...ssentials.html

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    I shoot raw all the time, only drop to medium jpg's if i'm out grabbing some low quality textures for 3d stuff.
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    Actually my camera has a RAW / Basic mode which is nice... gives me a medium jpeg for a quick preview or email etc... and RAW to work with for finer work.

    Time to get 1-2 GB card and use it more.

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    I'd like too, but so far I only have a point-and-click digital camera. I've never really got into digital photography, as far as really changing things - I still go back to film techniques. I'd like to know how to be more confident doing it.

    Any books or sites for recommendations?
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    Storage is so cheap, there's no reason not to shoot RAW.

    Here's Adobe's Digital Negative intiative page:
    http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/main.html
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    I wouldn't say always shoot RAW.

    1. I think it sacrafices speed as well as storage... sometimes I like to do some high speed stuff at 3 FPS with my camera... which I don't think is possible shooting RAW.

    2. Not every shoot warrants RAW format. Sometimes I am just grabbing a quick subject for a webpage or some snapshots to email. Sometimes shooting RAW is overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAlexC
    Here's Adobe's Digital Negative intiative page:
    http://www.adobe.com/products/dng/main.html
    It's nice but it'll never work because the manufacturers want to keep their edge on their RAW files, Nikon's new RAW format doesn't have an open white balance code for example, so you'd need to use Nikon licenced software to adjust the white balance on your image. It may not seem like much but the 'abilities' of a RAW file are important to digital pros, I can't see manufacturers using an open format like adobe's.

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    What kind of camera do you have Almedia?
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    Speed matters to me. Having an older digital camera even though it does have raw capabilites It takes longer to store as raw then it should (in my opinion)
    As for internal color balance as a personal preference I turn it off a simple gamma
    correction is all I've ever found the needed to correct color inconsitencies.

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    The 20d does a good job with RAW, you can shoot a burst of 6 frames in just over a second, then the buffer has to clear, which takes about 10 seconds, then you can go again. JPEG is certainly faster, it's still 5fps but you can shoot up to 25 or more frames at that rate before the buffer needs to clear.

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    Depends on the speed of the card you are writing to also.

    I always shoot raw, at the moment I just use Photoshop to open them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiLo_Anderson
    What kind of camera do you have Almedia?
    Nikon D70.

    The bottom line is from this thread I learned I sould buy a bigger card and use the RAW / Jpeg mode more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aversion
    I can't see manufacturers using an open format like adobe's.
    This is just for converting all kinds of RAW format into a single format that Adobe will always support, it's for longevity...
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    Right, but the more manufacturers close out the RAW formats the less adobe will be able to read them, including in PS. Again Nikon keeping white balance data proprietary means only Nikon licenced software can adjust the white balance on their RAW files.

    The bottom line is from this thread I learned I sould buy a bigger card and use the RAW / Jpeg mode more often.
    RAW and JPEG together is bigger and slower than just RAW, unless you really need a JPEG along with your RAW I would recommend just shooting RAW. I use irfanview for all my image viewing in windows and it can read RAW files and add them to the windows shell, so that when you view a folder in explorer the thumbnails show.

    Depends on the speed of the card you are writing to also.
    True, the 10 seconds it takes to flush the buffer on my camera is how long it takes on the lexar 1 gig cards I use.

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    i have a kodak crap 2.1 mp camera...this thread makes me wanna cry...

    I want a Canon 20D or Nikon D70...;(

    Hell, even a Canon 10D would make me smile...anyone wanna give out charities.
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    Probably not what you want...
    but there are alot of camera models (not DSLR)
    that save in RAW.

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    I always shoot RAW. Like it has been said a high speed card solves the bigger file sie issue. My Minolta has a 128 meg buffer so I can shoot around 10-12 photos continously without any loading.

    CS and CS2's RAW convertors are great tools. The ability to push or pull 4 stops either way is great.

    For me this is closest way of simulating processing the film yourself with digital photography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admedia
    Probably not what you want...
    but there are alot of camera models (not DSLR)
    that save in RAW.
    Oh no, exactly what I want. I have been drooling over DLSR's ever since I got my hands on a Rebel 300D last year in class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaBe_80z
    Oh no, exactly what I want. I have been drooling over DLSR's ever since I got my hands on a Rebel 300D last year in class.
    That's what I meant. You probably aren't interested in a non-DSLR, but they are sometimes half the price, but still will save in RAW format.

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