Quote Originally Posted by FlashLackey View Post
Katy Abram was on the right track. But, she obviously didn't know enough to effectively defend positions she never took. She should have said "Yes! Repeal the failing monstrosity that medicare is as well! There are better alternatives!"
What are the alternatives? I mean, Medicare/Medicaid are both going to bottom out with the current world projections of 7 billion people by 2011.

Of that, most are getting elderly and going to tax any current system in place. So... I'm being honest here... what are the alternatives? To hear that a government system that you can pay into is an option, not solution, option is met with this much resistance, then the alternatives should be as clear.

But they're not.

I'm not pushing the word socialism like it's disastrous. It's simply a label to applied. Perhaps the reason it seems like it's being put that way is that it has had disastrous consequences for many people in the world.
I didn't mean you, per se. It's just that socialism is not as evil as people put it. Nor are we any closer to a socialist situation.

The competition argument is garbage. Paying for something vs. not having to pay for something is not a competition.
Who said it'll be free? Everything I've read was it'll be competition. Don't like it, stick with your current coverage. Nobody's forcing you.

I have posted the alternative before. It's not that complex.
You very well might have. Care to link to it? Some of your better posts get buried or I (honestly) get disinterested in the conversation because I have to switch to "moderator mode" and fan down flames from all directions.

Offer a medical care account, including a yearly voucher that goes up each year based on the rate of inflation. Pay for that by removing all incentives for businesses to provide health care.

Result: more competition, lower cost, everyone in the US has a policy. No government needed.
But there's some limitations to this, no?

Quote Originally Posted by hanratty21 View Post
Yep. Funded by a wildly corrupt banking system that still allows levels of anonymity not seen since Nazis started fleeing to South America.
And this is different from a former booze running family (Kennedy) or former criminal family (Rockefeller) being celebrated in the US now? Wildly corrupt banking system... ahem, AIG and those bonuses among other things we do not know yet.

Yeah. Different.