Health care victory

[FlashLackey]

At least the sides taken in the Civil War were clearly defined. I doubt most republicans even know what they're mad about. I saw a bumper sticker the other day (on my way to work) that read, "Republicans: We work hard, so you don't have to." Infuriating.

I just can't get past the irony that the fear mongering is headed by the richest and most educated bankers/insurance giants yet enlists the dumbest most close minded lemmings as their base.

I think that these two statements contradict each other. Bankers and insurance companies are major contributors to the Democratic party. So, wouldn't it be Democrats that are mixed up about what to be mad about?

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So, to all you fans of change...I am all for people getting medical coverage, but this one smells like a lose/lose for me. To all of those who'd like to throw me into the far right hate mongering category, I will state right here that I am a registered republican, but I'd probably call myself about as socially conservative as Bill Clinton would've been called a far left liberal. I believe in Capitalism as it creates opportunities for those willing to work for them, but, according to this, I see nothing but a tariff on my hard work and effort.

Well stated. If we were to focus on ways to make health care less expensive, it would be easier to cover everyone without creating an unnecessary burden on our collective economy. This plan wasn't devised to most efficiently accomplish the stated goals. It was devised to accomplish the goals in a way that was most politically advantageous for Democrats, regardless of additional costs.

To add, chances are you/your parents/grandparents will also eventually end up or are already benefitting from that Medicare you are paying into.

Medicare funding is being reduced to pay for Obama's plan.

Speaking of teabaggers, Gerbs nailed it.
Spitting on congressmen, shouting racist and hate slurs, throwing bricks through congressmen's windows, and waving signs that read "If Brown can't stop the bill, Browning (picture of a gun) will" / "Kill the bill OR ELSE".

There are always people on both sides of a national debate that do or say indefensible things. Do we really need to degrade this debate by pointing out the stupidest behavior involved (liberal stupidity is available in abundance too)?

The bolded part of HR's statement, I agree with almost all stated, but that part especially. I do not feel like this was the way to get things done. The need for an overhaul, needed. The fact this doesn't look like a win-win, sticks with me.

And I'm also a registered republican (that's never voted straight ticket though) and this sorta smacks me in the face as a triumph with a lot faults that will cause problems down the line.

I like the gesture, not liking the outcome.

Couldn't agree more with every point. There were better plans proposed to cover everyone and reduce prices.

I can only hold out hope that this is a small first step at working towards a real universal single-payer option.

Hopefully not. Then our quality of care will go down as indicated by relative cancer survival rates in countries with single-payer systems.

And you guys pay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to high for Prescription drugs or any kind of service in the field since your Life expectancy is not good enough for what you pay

If you adjust for non health-care related deaths (car accidents, murders, etc.) our life expectancy is amongst the best in the world. We certainly have problems to sort out. However, the evidence indicates that quality of health care is not one of them.