Health care victory

[Loyal Rogue]

Medicare funding is being reduced to pay for Obama's plan.

If what's reduced is funding spent on waste and fraud then I can accept that, just as my wife would gladly accept a reduction in my McDonald's funding to help pay for more vegetables.

There are always people on both sides of a national debate that do or say indefensible things. Do we really need to degrade this debate by pointing out the stupidest behavior involved (liberal stupidity is available in abundance too)?

Your attempt to gloss-over the current situation is beneath you.
This is not an isolated incident by a single nutjob and the "liberals" in this country have not behaved in any manner like what's going on now on a national level.

Republican leaders, not some isolated loon, are knowingly inciting and promoting violence, rage and terrorist acts from their followers.
Republicans leaders are standing in Washington, waving their followers signs, shouting out "babykiller!" and "you lie!" during official business, telling followers waving signs of gun threats that it's up to THEM to stop the dems, and posting maps online showing democratic politicians home addresses with rifle crosshairs over them.
Republican leaders are knowingly emboldening the actions of the extremists by their examples of incivility and demonizing the opposition.

The results of this are unprecedented in our lifetime and to try and sweep it under the rug is as despicable as the acts themselves.

There were better plans proposed to cover everyone and reduce prices.

No, there weren't.
While there were alternative plans spoken of, none were proven to cover everyone (or even as many as this one) or reduce prices.

Besides, you should blame Bob Dole.
This is almost exactly the same plan he and the repubs proposed in response to Clinton's heathcare plan.

Hopefully not. Then our quality of care will go down as indicated by relative cancer survival rates in countries with single-payer systems.

...or you could just as easily argue that our quality of care will go up as indicated by every other form of disease, health issue, life expectancy, and infant mortality as is shown in countries with single-payer systems.

If you adjust for non health-care related deaths (car accidents, murders, etc.) our life expectancy is amongst the best in the world. We certainly have problems to sort out. However, the evidence indicates that quality of health care is not one of them.

Please post a link to the evidence that shows this.

The only thing I could find was an opinion by two authors who wrote a paper under a grant by the SSA titled "Low Life Expectancy in the United States: Is the Health Care System at Fault? by Samuel H. Preston and Jessica Y. Ho".
I have read that paper and while their personal opinion agrees with you, even the heavily cherry-picked stats in the paper doesn't, so I'm guessing there must be another source for your assertion.