Health care victory

[Loyal Rogue]

I don't see how that moves the legislation away from being similar in many substantial ways to other medicare entitlement expansions that cost way more than projected.

Of course you don't... as an ultra conservative, I don't expect that the type of shades you wear would let that wavelength of light through.

Not that I think you should think or speak any differently than you do.
Your duty is to oppose anything and everything that Obama and the Dems propose, and you fulfill your purpose with vigor.

To that end, good on ya.

[gerbick]

So much discussion about what is wrong... how about a non-blog link to what is right? I won't accept Wikipedia either.

As it stands, too much discussion based on opinion doesn't distance yourself from the Tea Party folks that are wholly wrong.

[Loyal Rogue]

how about a non-blog link to what is right?

Well I started a post about social and genetic evolution bringing us the most perfect and delicious young female flesh in recorded history, but I kinda figured you meant something else.

So then I started a post about the sheer volume of new varietals using never before tried combinations of wine fruits, and hops, barley, malts, and prehistoric yeast cultures to make an endless supply of fresh and unique elixers the likes of which could never all be tried in one lifetime, ... but it got too wordy.

Then I started a post extolling the virtues of the almost untapped relovution of green technology and how there will be a brand new slew of millionares and billionares who not only thought ahead of the masses but also had an intuitive streak of responsibility unheard of in past corporate giants,.. but unfortunately I gave away too much information about the DIY low-cost easy to build passive solar water heater I'm designing that will cost less than $100 in materials, be able to be built and installed in a single saturday afternoon, and will cut the average homeowner's electric bill by 25%-33% per month,... so I erased it to prevent you bastards from stealing my idea...

Hmmmm... guess I got nothing left.

[gerbick]

I like pie.

[FlashLackey]

Of course you don't... as an ultra conservative, I don't expect that the type of shades you wear would let that wavelength of light through.

There's no reason to go into hysterics. I'm open to hearing explanations that I haven't thought of.

Not that I think you should think or speak any differently than you do.
Your duty is to oppose anything and everything that Obama and the Dems propose, and you fulfill your purpose with vigor.

I don't oppose anything and everything that Obama does. I think he did the right thing with the troop surge in Afghanistan for example.

Democrats opposed everything that Bush did. Whether or not it was part of a political strategy is irregardless of the merits of arguments between people having a discussion.

[david petley]

...that was because Bush was a total scoundrel, like our John Howard. The politics of fear was their mutual method to frighten ignorant people into accepting stuff like ...that torture was ok ...and asylum seekers were a threat to our culture. They lied to us and most of us let them. There are no merits in lying, its just lying ...lower than a snakes belly.

dp

[FlashLackey]

...that was because Bush was a total scoundrel, like our John Howard. The politics of fear was their mutual method to frighten ignorant people into accepting stuff like ...that torture was ok ...and asylum seekers were a threat to our culture. They lied to us and most of us let them. There are no merits in lying, its just lying ...lower than a snakes belly.

If we accept a society that can include opposing viewpoints, don't you see how the other side may feel the same way about the people that you agree with?

"It's not fair! They oppose everything we are for!"

"What do you agree with that we are for?"

"Well. That's different!"

[gerbick]

Still no protests on the war on the way. But they can spend about $2k at a bondage themed club just fine - yep...

Seriously. Some people's priorities are really ****ed up.

[FlashLackey]

Obama is the commander in chief. You should protest him if you have a beef against the war.

Some unknown staffer used an RNC card at a strip club and was fired for it. Maybe it should also be reported that I saved a lot of money with Geico.

[Frets]

Obama is the commander in chief. You should protest him if you have a beef against the war.

I have spoken on the cost of war.. in this thread, Gerbixk has also mentioned the cost of war in this thread. You FL failed to acknowledge it.
Teabaggers haven't If they are so afraid of government spending then why are they not focusing attention to the cost of war. As I have stated the war is a greater burden on government spending then anything else.

If you and the teabaggers are concerned with goverment costs why haven't you and/or the teabaggers protested the war?

[cancerinform]

Because war is regarded necessary but healthcare is not. Then there is no protest.

[jAQUAN]

Just a thought, Bush's agenda has killed 5416 Americans. How long before Obama's kills that many?

[gerbick]

The wars were started under Bush. I protested then. The wars are continued under Obama... because Bush didn't have a plan to stop the wars. Blame still lays with the prior administration.

Show where the RNC staffer was fired. Otherwise, opinion. The rest... sad. Tea Party, Christian Militias, and ignorance are rampant now.

[Loyal Rogue]

Some unknown staffer used an RNC card at a strip club and was fired for it. Maybe it should also be reported that I saved a lot of money with Geico.

I'm sure you felt the same way about the ACORN/pimp incident, right?

[Frets]

So now. heathcare providers are claiming that coverage of children with pre existing conditions can still be denied and they intend to do just that.

Bring on Single Payer to drain the pool. I have no problems paying the government to receive the same healthcare as veterans.

[FlashLackey]

I have spoken on the cost of war.. in this thread, Gerbixk has also mentioned the cost of war in this thread. You FL failed to acknowledge it.

"Failed to acknowledge it?" I didn't know that it was a requirement for me to do so. If you're angry with Obama about that, so be it. I'm not necessarily all that interested in that subject at this time. I sometimes choose not to respond to subjects I've gone over and am tired of.

Teabaggers haven't If they are so afraid of government spending then why are they not focusing attention to the cost of war. As I have stated the war is a greater burden on government spending then anything else.

You're making the absurd argument that being concerned with cost means that you have to object to every cost.

There are many people, including myself, that believe that the war, including the cost of it, was and is necessary. There are many Democrats that agree, especially about Afghanistan. This is obviously true since they have the absolute power to stop it if they wanted to but have chosen to escalate it.

On the other hand, there are many conservatives that also object to war spending. So, it would make more sense for you to just make your argument rather than trying to generalize about groups with diverse positions.

The war is not the greatest burden on government spending. Look again.

If you and the teabaggers are concerned with goverment costs why haven't you and/or the teabaggers protested the war?

I've already explained this. Unfortunately, there is still a need in the world for military opposition to oppressive and dangerous regimes.

The wars were started under Bush. I protested then. The wars are continued under Obama... because Bush didn't have a plan to stop the wars. Blame still lays with the prior administration.

Blame and current protest are two different things. What is your current objective for your protest? To change what Obama and the Democrats do?

Show where the RNC staffer was fired. Otherwise, opinion. The rest... sad. Tea Party, Christian Militias, and ignorance are rampant now.

No. It's not difficult to find the actual story if you really want to know.

It's never difficult to find examples of bad behavior in a large country. It goes both ways. Don't confuse antipathy for the passage of legislation that the majority of the country opposed with isolated incidents.

I'm sure you felt the same way about the ACORN/pimp incident, right?

Actually, I did. It was the other, more institutional acts of corruption and criminal behavior of the leadership that was telling.

[gerbick]

I blame Bush for wars that I'm protesting. Run with that.

[Loyal Rogue]

Actually, I did. It was the other, more institutional acts of corruption and criminal behavior of the leadership that was telling.

LOL
You just described the RNC to a tee.

[FlashLackey]

All government is prone to corruption, regardless of the party. That's why conservatives want it to be limited per our founding principles and liberals foolishly want to "progress" to a larger government.

That said, we're getting off topic. Looks like the idea that most people liked the bill after it passed was premature:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans say the health care overhaul signed into law last week costs too much and expands the government's role in health care too far, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, underscoring an uphill selling job ahead for President Obama and congressional Democrats.
Those surveyed are inclined to fear that the massive legislation will increase their costs and hurt the quality of health care their families receive, although they are more positive about its impact on the nation's health care system overall.

...

Obama's approval rating was 47%-50% — the first time his disapproval rating has hit 50%.

In the survey:

• A plurality predicts the law will improve health care coverage generally and the overall health of Americans. But a majority says it also will drive up overall costs and worsen the federal budget deficit.

• When it comes to their families, they see less gain and more pain: Pluralities say it will make coverage and quality of care worse for them. By 50%-21%, they predict it will make their costs higher.

...

Half call passage of the bill "a bad thing" and 47% "a good thing." That differs from a one-day USA TODAY poll taken March 22 — a day after the House approved the legislation — in which a 49%-40% plurality called the bill "a good thing."

"Any one-day poll in the immediate aftermath of a major event is likely to be subject not only to sampling error but also to very short-term effects," says political scientist Charles Franklin of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. At the time, "the news cycle was dominated by the positive side of the story, and only a little bit by the Republicans' rebuttal to that."

There was a strong reaction against the tactics Democratic leaders used to pass the bill. A 53% majority call Democratic methods "an abuse of power;" 40% say they are appropriate.

And when asked about incidents of vandalism and threats that followed the bill's passage, Americans are more inclined to blame Democratic political tactics than critics' harsh rhetoric. Forty-nine percent say Democratic tactics are "a major reason" for the incidents, while 46% blame criticism by conservative commentators and 43% the criticism of Republican leaders.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...OE=click-refer

[gerbick]

Still better than less than 22% popularity. Better than two wars that had no contingency plan. Still better than never finding Bin Laden.

And look... Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and other "people like them" get to rant incessantly now. So it's a win-win. Complain, lose their voice perhaps, get taken care of via the health system.

Cheers (all but you, ex-alcoholic Glenn Beck)