Well at that point I cant be laying out the 3d movieclips and using rotationX Y Z on it, goto do pure math for that... Come to think of it that must be the most impressive thing a game can do maybe that's why they called it hitman, when you hit the man you see the intense depth that's happening. I am beginning to notice that flash runs 3d really good though and with good math a xbox looking game can be done.