Flash Designers ...consider yourself worthwhile, read this :)

[tublu]

Hey Guys ,
Read this THREAD.... therer's an interesting controversy /fight going on ... if you think you have got a worthwhile point you can add / prove it . And I mean a good point . Not just for the sakeofsaying so . You can take either side ... no bias . I just thot this might interest you . Just Like that . and especially not for any pormotion mond it . I just edited it again to say this , lol
[Edited by tublu on 02-04-2002 at 05:19 PM]

[gerbick]

cool thread.

how come we don't have convos like that here anymore

[Juztin180]

Originally posted by gerbick
cool thread.

how come we don't have convos like that here anymore

Takes too long to get to the CL to post, and then you hit submit and it dies anyway. thats why

[mg33]

"What a website most definately is not (or ought not to be, in my view), is a vehicle to show the cleverness of its designer."
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I've been terribly sick the past few days and still am, and I get really dizzy looking at the screen, but I wanted to at least comment on this statement.

This person is talking about business uses of Flash, to which all I have to say is: Don't you have to be clever in business? If you're using a web site in a business sense, doesn't it make sense to be clever in the design process, to implement various ideas that will keep the viewer at your site longer, contribute to their interaction? And I'm not talking about silly uses of Flash, mouse trailers, all that nonsense. To me, it takes a far more clever person to use Flash succesfully in a subtle sense than it does for someone to take the easy way out by using elements and and various overused Flash things we see everywhere and have seen for a few years now.

<off to the store for drugs>

mg33

[tublu]

say it to that "dam* " sales-man , , lol

[johnie]

We already had this discusion here about 2 weeks ago or 3 weeks ago... I'll see if I can't reap the thread Here I reaped it: http://board.flashkit.com/board/show...hreadid=259266

The thread was started by Canned Heat and had quite a bit of discusion.

[devonair]

"What a website most definately is not (or ought not to be, in my view), is a vehicle to show the cleverness of its designer."
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What an odd stance to take, especially by someone in the creativity biz. Certainly, design can be thought of in business terms - a guy's gotta eat, no shame in that - but all successful businessmen are clever in one way or another to differing extents. Design (Flash or otherwise) can be likened to masonry, another money making skill. Granted, you may not have folks lined up around the block oohing and aahing over your new house's foundation, but hire a mason who takes no pride in his work and exhibits no ingenuity, and you wind up with a home what can be blown over by the first passing wolf. Cleverness may not always be obvious, but lack thereof is always glaringly apparent...

[mg33]

devonair,

Nice post, really good comparison

mg33

[rugbystud]

*yawn yawn*
Same old sh*t

[gerbick]

johnie, I was gone out of town during that same time...

[devonair]

Sorry t' bore ya, Rug.. Suppose we could always discuss the lustrous originality of, say, anime fighting characters..

[Hellsbellboy]

I think if you read further into what "spider" is saying..he's just making the agruement that useability is more important in a webpage then having "clever" things.. I don't think he's bad, he just believes that have a webpage that is user friendly and functional for a Business site is what he thinks is important. And a business site could be considered your portfolio.. anyhow.. I think papan makes a good arguement.

but that spider guy seems to be trying to compare the BEST HTML sites with the WORST Flash sites.
[Edited by Hellsbellboy on 02-04-2002 at 10:43 PM]

[tublu]

Originally posted by Hellsbellboy
but that spider guy seems to be trying to compare the BEST HTML sites with the WORST Flash sites.
[Edited by Hellsbellboy on 02-04-2002 at 10:43 PM]

i do think thats what he is doing , also .

[DutchDesign]

Originally posted by Hellsbellboy
but that spider guy seems to be trying to compare the BEST HTML sites with the WORST Flash sites.

agree...but even if you compare the best flash sites to the best html sites, html still wins on traffic and profitability.

so from a business point of view he's right. in about 80% of the cases you just don't need flash...
So why use it then? you don't use cgi, asp, or php when you don't have to, do you?

IMHO, That's just the way it is...i wouldn't want it any different, cuz i enjoy making an html site as much as making a flash site, maybe even more...

I still get the biggest kick out of a fully database driven, though aestectically pleasing, site...but maybe that's just my fetish

[rugbystud]

Sorry devonair. Ive just sen this chat a thousand times, thats all. I have it at work aswell. It just frustates me. No offence there at all