just so everyone knows...

[david petley]

thank you gp ...I am still not cured of the site, as you can see

david

[FlashLackey]

Otherwise, the moderation team will continue to waste time on you when other things are more important. Do less stuff that gets negative attention in the free area of FK, then it frees up the moderation team from having to deal with you and police each thread you're in less and go help people instead.

In all the years that I've been here, I have always respected the rules of the board. The only thing I've done that invoked "negative attention" is explain and defend opinions that some people disagree with.

Are you saying that I should avoid having certain opinions? If so, shouldn't the forum rules define which opinions are allowed and which are not?

Simply put, don't stir up trouble; it's unwanted.

I don't want to stir up trouble. There are a number of members here that I have enjoyed getting to know. I would like to see this community improve and I genuinely think that some mod changes would help make that happen. It could help move the focus from "who is cool in my book" to "who brings industry-related value and maturity to the site".

So I'll repeat it. Being a member doesn't mean you're free to abuse the free areas. It means that you've become a problem. And unfortunately, there's more problems here than solutions.

How is having an opinion abusing the free areas?

[gerbick]

Did you not get preferential treatment?

I'll answer any questions you have, pending you answer mine with a simple yes/no and only if I receive that answer without anything else added to it.

If you cannot, then I personally request that you do not ask me anything else ever again. That's fair since this is a "free area" of FK. Savvy?

[david petley]

I genuinely think that some mod changes would help make that happen

Which mods do you think should be removed? ...and who do you think should replace them?

dp

I am sure planet is watching to be sure this doesn't turn into a flamefest and will be interested in your opinion

[FlashLackey]

You know, I try, and I try to give you the benefit of doubt ...I put it down to cultural differences...I try and understand why you are so dense and say such stupid stuff ...but it still escapes me.

Cultural differences? So, you're saying that you think people from my culture are dense?

We have continuously replaced and added new moderators over the years, most of whom I have not known, or been aware of, until they were put forward by existing mods when a need has arisen, suggested by respected members or at the request of the site owners.

Indeed. There are a number of good mods here, as I noted.

[WannaBe_80z]

Jesus I leave for 5 days...

[gerbick]

Jesus I leave for 5 days...

It's your fault.

[david petley]

Cultural differences? So, you're saying that you think people from my culture are dense?

no, just you...but I have thought long and hard about why you were so dense, and cultural differences was one thing i thought of topossibly explain to myself..

I dismissed the idea that it might be cultural and finally just decided you were a prat.

dp

[FlashLackey]

Which mods do you think should be removed? ...and who do you think should replace them?

Good question.

I don't know all of the mods or how they have all behaved toward the company or in team communication. So, I couldn't say without more information.

I think that such moves should be a process involving multiple people, based on criteria (such as whether or not the person is a fit for the subject of the board in regard to involvement with the flash industry).

[FlashLackey]

no, just you...but I have thought long and hard about why you were so dense, and cultural differences was one thing i thought of topossibly explain to myself..

I dismissed the idea that it might be cultural and finally just decided you were a prat.

I'm not perfect by any means. I readily admit and accept my faults and mistakes. However, I'm confident that I am neither dense or a prat.

Do you think that moderators or any other member of this forum should flame other members? Do you think that flaming detracts from the professionalism of the board? Should the rules be applied to some members but not others, depending on whether or not their opinions are popular?

[david petley]

I think that such moves should be a process involving multiple people, based on criteria (such as whether or not the person is a fit for the subject of the board in regard to involvement with the flash industry).

...and that is EXACTLY what happened, and has always happened, up till quite recently, when unknowns have been added by the site owners. I have always questioned such appointments.

dp

[david petley]

However, I'm confident that I am neither dense or a prat.

I think that is common in prats.

Do you think that moderators or any other member of this forum should flame other members?

I think 'flaming' is open to interpretation. It is one of the things a moderator needs to decide about, and even stuff like that gets discussed in the team lounge.

Do you think that flaming detracts from the professionalism of the board?

I think a professional board should not have a lounge. The forums I am admin for do not.

Should the rules be applied to some members but not others, depending on whether or not their opinions are popular?

Rules are for interpretation by responsible people ...and what do you think actually causes popularity? ...your views??? god forbid ...it is about how many people like you ...for whatever reason they do.

dp

[FlashLackey]

I was thinking more about replacements rather than new additions.

The "multiple people" I was thinking of would be the people with the most stake in the company that want or can be involved with the decisions. It's their business after all. They should be represented in the community by people that respect their interests and goals. I don't know them. If it turns out that they have no interest in improving Flashkit's image in the professional community, I suppose no changes are needed.

[gerbick]

You're answering more than being answered, DP.

[FlashLackey]

I think that is common in prats.

Do you think that it's unique to them?

I think 'flaming' is open to interpretation. It is one of the things a moderator needs to decide about, and even stuff like that gets discussed in the team lounge.

Do you think that calling someone a prat can be interpreted to be anything other than flaming?

Why did you edit your post to remove those statements, explaining "to be sure this doesn't turn into a flamefest"?

I think a professional board should not have a lounge. The forums I am admin for do not.

I don't see why not. People get to know each other on forums and it's better organized to put off-subject conversations in their own area.

I don't see how that answers my question about whether or not flaming detracts from a board. There are plenty of forums that have free areas that don't allow the types of personal attacks and flaming that you've resorted to here.

Rules are for interpretation by responsible people ...and what do you think actually causes popularity? ...your views??? god forbid ...it is about how many people like you ...for whatever reason they do.

How is someone behaving responsibly when they are breaking the very rules they are supposed to believe in? It seems like the responsible thing to do is to replace such people with others who have more respect for the community.

I like many people with very different views than mine, including many on this board. So, yes, I agree that peoples opinions shouldn't affect how they are treated. I don't think that concept is observed well by some here.

[david petley]

Should the rules be applied to some members but not others, depending on whether or not their opinions are popular?

I misread this, I thought you were talking about personal popularity, but there have been (and still are) a number of members here who do not share my views, who I still have great respect for ...Lansite and TGLC leap to mind straightaway as prime examples ...it is not about politics.

In a forum like this it is about how good you type and whether what you type has any relevance to what has been typed previously, or interest to others who might want to join, or even just read, a typed discussion.

...it is the only form of communication we have here and some do it good, and others don't, and some do it good sometimes but not others, and others just can't do it good anytime.

dp

[david petley]

Do you think that it's unique to them?

no, just common.

Do you think that calling someone a prat can be interpreted to be anything other than flaming?

Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it.

Why did you edit your post to remove those statements, explaining "to be sure this doesn't turn into a flamefest"?

sorry, not sure what you mean here, I have not removed anything from my posts in this thread, just added stuff.

I don't see why not. People get to know each other on forums and it's better organized to put off-subject conversations in their own area.

your opinion, not mine, you are welcome to it and do not need me to agree or approve.

I don't see how that answers my question about whether or not flaming detracts from a board.

As i said, what is flaming is personal intepretation, i do not think I have done that here. You think I have...k, hit the 'report this post' button.

There are plenty of forums that have free areas that don't allow the types of personal attacks and flaming that you've resorted to here.

I agree that interpretation of flaming varies across different communites, but I think you need to find the one with the levels you can tolerate, or just fo to the webmaster and complain. I am sure he will give you a hearing, and be happy to remove offensive words, or add them to the banned word filter.

dp

[WannaBe_80z]

It's your fault.

[gparis]

FlashLackey, this is not the thread for that type of argument. If you wish to continue, i suggest you start another thread. I'm saddened by david petley's decision of leaving the team, specially after him being a member for 10 years like me and some other mods here, and I am very bothered by that exchange on the same thread where he announces his decision.

gparis

[cancerinform]

How about the mods are getting paid before talking to remove or replace them or threaten them. I can see here the corporation sound. And I fully understand David. However, I do not agree with his decision, because if you want to change you should not quit by yourself. Get fired, so others can see what kind of atmosphere there is. That will in the end destroy the company, because only a company where people are happy to do their job will be successful. Google is No 4 among top fortune companies as one example.