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Hood Rich
 Originally Posted by gerbick
Eh? I said simply "Heh. You quoted Krauthammer." Find the attack in that sentence. I implore you.
You laughed and mentioned the messenger without any substantial response to the message.
 Originally Posted by gerbick
Sadly, you're incapable of seeing that I also did the same with Bush too. People are far too driven by sensationalistic journalism, driven into a frenzy yet the moment they're questioned directly, they deflect, talk a lot, answer nothing.
I don't recall you making similar criticisms while Bush was in office.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
I can see why you would like that article.
On the surface it sounds reasonable and intelligent in a way that almost makes it seem like the points he makes are so obvious they must be right, much like your own writing.
I appreciate the comparison but I can't accept. I am no Charles Krauthammer when it comes to political commentary and wisdom.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
However, ANY bill, law, legislation, executive order, whatever that the government passes including amendments to the Constitution can also be undone by any future congress, President, vote, election, etc.
It is an empty and foolish argument.
To use that as a basis to not pass a bill would mean that no bills would ever get passed now or in the future.
You seem to have misunderstood Krauthammer's argument. He isn't arguing against the legislation because it can be undone with more legislation. He's criticizing legislation that "triggers" future spending cuts because they are unspecific and depend entirely on unknown people agreeing with them at some uncertain point in the future. Also, there is a precedent for such triggers being completely meaningless, as he points out.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
There is no specific provision that prevents illegal immigrants from currently buying auto insurance, dental insurance, or health insurance now.
They pay full price for those policies without any subsidies, credits, or tax dollars from our government just the same as they would under any of the current bills before congress. Nothing changes for them.
Another completely empty and foolish argument bordering on outright deception.
Participating in a National Health Insurance Exchange is not the same thing as buying private insurance as it is done now. Also, it would involve government subsidies for many participants.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Ha. In light of the facts, to try and claim that illegals WILL benefit from this plan is not only dishonest but dispicable on so many levels.
Care to elaborate on the "despicable levels" associated with this simple fact?
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Is he trying to say that there is not any amount of waste, fraud or abuse in the medicare system that can be fixed or eliminated?
Do you feel the same?
Do you think that medicare is so perfect now that there is no room for improvement?
Of course there is waste, fraud and abuse in medicare. It's a government entitlement program after all.
The problem is that you can't put a specific dollar amount on "waste, fraud and abuse" to balance a budget. In order to make budget cuts of specific value, you have to specify changes in spending.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Then he turns around and says if medicare has problems that needs to be fixed, then Obama shouldn't be wasting time starting to do something about it... No, instead he should be starting to do something about it! WTF?
Last time I checked, fraud and abuse of federal dollars is criminal and would fall under the jurisdiction of the executive branch of government to prevent, without needing further legislation.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Can someone (FL, TGLC, or any proponent of the idea) explain to me what will keep this from becoming a "race to the bottom" in the insurance industry?
Competition.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
Who will regulate interstate policies?
Consumers.
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
If your insurance company screws you do you go to court in your state or do you have to take them to court in the state where they are incorporated?
If Amazon.com screws you do you go to court in your state or do you have to take them to court in the state where they are incorporated?
 Originally Posted by Loyal Rogue
What will keep every insurance company from closing their offices in every state except the one with the lowest standards... or God forbid, some US territory where there are no regulations at all?
What will keep every on-line retailer from closing their offices in every state except the one with the lowest standards... or God forbid, some US territory where there are no regulations at all?
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